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Monday, 3 March 2008

Has Seth Godin's Meatball Sundae Gone Off?

In Seth's Meatball Sundae book he talks about marketing not matching the business or products on sale, and I basically think he's right. He talks about how traditional businesses doing marketing traditionally have done well. Those mainstream businesses have done the bread and butter marketing correctly by really getting to know their customers and not taking extreme risks but making sure all of their marketing is understood by the organisation.

The premise continues that these companies, in the pursuit of growth are trying the new marketing strategies offered by the internet because the company feels that their audience isn't responding to those old marketing methods. But he contends that these new horizons aren't always suitable for the old-fashioned "meatball" companies.

All that is fine and well, but its when you get 34:50 into the audio book that I get a bit miffed.

He states that with the investor pressures these meatball companies are facing, the management start playing with the ice cream Sunday parts, and he rattles off "blogging and Search engine optimisation".

Now I can understand why he'd say blogging isn't suitable for all companies, but SEO? A sundae is something that may taste nice but it doesn't really suit old-fashioned companies and certainly doesn't go with 'meatballs'.

I'm sorry Seth, but I don't agree with you. SEO is not a "Sundae". I've been involved with it for the past 12 years. To me its a strategic foundation of any business whose market can exist online. Today, it appears that every organisation has a website. If you don't then Google will let you set a up a free site. You just have to go through Yahoo! or DMOZ and you'll see sites about every facet of society. Just Look at Chris Anderson's The Long Tail book. It's all about boundless consumer demand in ever decreasing fractions of niches.

Perhaps I'm wrong but Seth describes the implementation of SEO as the "desire to be a little flashier" (35:06) and that it can't be a fundamental core of every business's marketing strategy as a little naive.

There are so many degrees of SEO. You can simply 'SEO' by changing your title tags, by including a sitemap or by asking relevant sites to link to you. It doesn't need someone to pay a consultant like me a significant sum to increase your online sales. Its all about degree. A consultant like me would still offer ROI just as there would be ROI (albeit smaller, I hope) for an owner-manager reading a few (the correct) ebooks about SEO.

To me there is nothing flashy about SEO, it's the nitty-gritty, unglamourous older-brother to affiliate, banner, email and social marketing.

I also disagree when he says the successful companies are the ones that are organisationally created around their marketing. I've done SEO for solicitors, investment organisations, the public sector, recruitment, education, FMCG and none of these organisations have had their entire marketing strategy (bar one) based on SEO or online marketing and they have all been successful organisations. I've even done SEO for a company that removes white-lines off roads, a carpet shop and a haberdasher. The ones that have succeeded online are the ones that have trusted me to utilise the 'sundae' where it's most relevant. That's the role of an online marketing consultant.

He contends that these old 'meatball' comapnies have to be 'in-sync' with the new marketing to be a success. I'd disagree. I'd say they have to 'trust' new marketing. They don't have to understand it, they don't have to live or breath it, they just trust it and take balanced risks.

I'd do agree that internet marketing is about making "noise". But the successful internet marketing campaigns are the ones that makes the right noise in the right place. Perhaps that's where diversifying your risk into affiliate marketing and trusting the affiliates you work with comes into play? Balancing that with hiring hte right consultant that has the balls to say that you shouldn't spend your money on X, Y or Z.

Update:
I'm getting more annoyed. He states (40:02) "new marketing is about fashion, about stories, about promises. New marketing doesn't understand top-down comand and control thinking". I'm sorry Seth, but it often does. I have a degree in Economics, I have awards in Business & Finace and Banking. I understand the collective marketing strategies, I know what the bottom line is, I've run a company so I know about organisational obligations and priorities. Seth you're a tad patronising. Please don't lump SEO with viral marketing or with social media optimisation or email marketing. It simply is different.

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6 Comments:

At 3 March 2008 at 22:58 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm right with you Lee. This is the guy who made his name with 'permission marketing'. The premise that you can only tell someone about something when they've asked to hear about it. What's the use in that?

If people didn't tell me about stuff I didn't know I wanted we'd never have had the Walkman, the iPod, shake-a-cake pancake mix, blue Aftershock, the lateral thigh trainer, George Foreman Grills or Guitar Hero on the PS3.

And what kind of world would that be?

 
At 4 March 2008 at 12:45 , Blogger Seth Godin said...

Sorry to have ticked you off.

My point about SEO is (I hope) clear: Every Google search is a separate media channel. The difference between these channels and traditional ones is that only a few can win.

So, if you're a solicitor doing wills in London, you might come up first in Google for that search. Which is great. But what if ten or twenty try for that strategy?

SEO is essential... after you've got the other elements figured out. Boring average products with great SEO almost always lose.

 
At 4 March 2008 at 13:18 , Blogger getvisible said...

Hi Seth,

I disagree about only a few being able to win with the new marketing channels. When you consider the explosion in consumer demand and the economies of scale the go with them, you don't have to be the best in market to make substantial improvements in your bottom line using the these marketing channels.

Taking your SEO and wills analogy I also disagree. If you're number one in Google and others try the strategy you can still be number one. You can't all be number one. With the way Google works and with over 100 factors that make up their Google algo you will be hard-pressed to find ten or twenty organisations that will be able to implement the same strategy exactly - especially given that the content on the page is a huge part of the algo and the solicitors will definitely not be saying the same thing (name, experience and clients are different for example).

I also disagree with your comments about "boring average products with great SEO almost always lose". Again with the explosion in demand and the mass media, site owners are able to create demand for boring and average products simply with the correct marketing copy around the calls to action.

I build sites targeted at the large buying periods of the year. Then you could sell rocking horse manure to anyone. People are caught in a frenzy and the rational buying processes don't often exist in any great way.

I'm sorry to disagree. Perhaps I'll find the light in the rest of the audio book - great production BTW!

Oh and thanks for commenting. I'd love widen my understanding of marketing and business startegy and thanks for playing a part in it.

 
At 4 March 2008 at 16:20 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If people didn't tell me about stuff I didn't know...And what kind of world would that be?"

Probably a more contented on, I'm sick of folks telling me about shit I don't want, come to think of it I'm sick of folks telling me about shit they think I might want or even shit I do want, my philosophy is if I want to find out about something I'll come a lookin, otherwise I just stick my fingers in my ears and repeat the mantra "Go away nasty capitalist, go spreed your propaganda somewhere else".

But then again unlike my brother I'm a artsy, socialist designer and not a hard headed capitalist seo affiliate marketer, thats why he has all the money and the big house and expensive foreign holidays and I just have a beard and kids.

I've not read Seth's last book yet but found some of the previous ones esp Purple Cow and absolute inspiration.

Perhaps you'll have to lend it to me bro when you've finished with it.

What an honor to have the man himself comment, keep up the good work bro and keep making me smile.

 
At 4 March 2008 at 16:25 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh and another thing... I think the point is you can market to almost anyone but you will only be successful if the person you are marketing to is interested and responsive otherwise you are nothing more then an annoying background noise trying to brain wash. However the point with SEO is that as long as its done ethicaly the target is interested or they wouldnt have entered that text in the little google box now would they?

 
At 4 March 2008 at 18:57 , Blogger getvisible said...

Ah but Rich.

This brings me on to another point.

I like many organisations don't pursue the maximisation of profits. In my background of learning economics you understand that profit maximisation isn't the goal of every organisation. Some try to maximise revenue, some market penetration, some product development, some maximise executive perks and some owner-managers try and maximise their quality of life.

That is where I fit in. I enjoy spending "wasting" budget on new marketing methods - I get satisfaction out if it. They may not fit my organisational set-up but they give me satisfaction.

I try and maximise my education and understanding of the world - being an SEO and internet marketing consultant allows me to do it.

Decent earnings are coincedental - but, nonetheless, very welcome.

 

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