
Jules is founder of
eMarketingSolution and I've recently found out they've just achieved a bit of a coup in the affiliate marketing world so I thought I'd catch up with him and find out been going on recently:]
Hi Jules. You've been in the industry for a pretty damn long time now. I remember meeting you and Pete in the dinghy basement that Affiliate Future had for offices, but what's been going on with you since those days back in 2002?Hi Lee, wow you are making me feel old - I was actually in a meeting a few weeks back and was asked to give my opinion as an industry veteran, I guess time flies when you are having fun.
I think I actually started looking at affiliate marketing back in 2002 – back then I had a few affiliate sites (mostly for fun). I started with AF in 2003 when it was just 3 of us in that little office! AF USA was my main project a year or so later and I was out in NY setting things up for a couple of years, then in 2007 I came back to the UK as Commercial Director of IBG until the group was sold to TMN about a year ago now.
It was certainly a great journey and as you know I have made a lot of great friends along the way.
You've now founded eMarketingSolution, what has those experiences of being at the front line with sales and managing US strategy for AF taught you in your current venture?eMarketingSolution was a logical step for me. Over the years I have done a lot more than just affiliate marketing, eMS was the perfect way to put some skills in to practice and start building a company that adds value to clients in a way that suits my way of working.
In recent years many networks and agencies in the affiliate arena seem to have forgotten what affiliate marketing is actually about; Performance based online marketing.
At eMarketingSolution we offer services on a pure performance model. The results I think are speaking for themselves.
I see that you're a generalist agency, in that you cover affiliate marketing, ppc, eMail, social and other forms of marketing and consultancy services, but what do you feel are the strengths of eMarketingSolution and what sets you apart from the other agencies?eMarketingSolution offers a full range online advertising services but the focus has been very much on affiliate marketing and consultancy.
We have a small team but collectively have almost 20 years experience in the online space between us. We offer a really personal service that gives true value to clients. With the exception of consultancy every service works on a true performance model.
The obvious example is for our affiliate marketing clients, I don’t really know of any other agencies that will manage and grow sales through the affiliate channel on a pure CPA basis – and lets face it, that’s what affiliate marketing is all about – generating incremental sales on a commission only basis. So many people have forgotten that these days.
I think our mission statement sums it up nicely:
"eMarketingSolution.co.uk's mission is simple, to provide fairly priced online marketing services that adds REAL value to clients without compromising on ethics. We believe that success grows through education, transparency and commitment. We aim to pass on our knowledge and ethical methodologies on to our clients to build successful relationships that grow with the industry "
Last year we were talking about your client base and I was amazed. How the heck do you manage to get these big clients? I'm in awe to be honest!
Many of our clients as you know work with us confidentially, but I think a good example of this would be
AffiliRed.com. We have worked closely with AffiliRed and manage all aspects of their affiliate marketing. Together (using experience of our team) we have created a new product that really works.
With AffiliRed we have created a platform that allows clients to be on multiple networks in multiple countries at the same time. The system manages everything from validating sales to distributing invoices to different departments.
I think it is sensible innovation like this, that has lead to interest by our clients. AffiliRed focuses on the Hotel industry and in a very short space of time, it has attracted clients like
Barcelo.com,
Hotelopia.com and many more.
I think the bottom line is offering a genuine performance related solution to clients that increases their online sales without additional costs and most importantly being able to deliver substantial results.
But now I've heard that you've recently signed a big name, are you able to tell us who they are yet? (I've had my nose to the grindstone, I've not noticed you mention them yet).I had a feeling this was leading somewhere ;)
eMarketingSolution have just signed with CDWOW to manage all aspects of their affiliate marketing. It’s very early days as we are still in the handover period – but its definitely going to be a great project. CDWOW were a powerhouse in the affiliate industry up until a few years ago.
Since then website was acquired by a new company (Stomp Entertainment) and over the coming months we aim to build the affiliate programme back to its former glory. You will see a lot of changes over the coming months as we role out a whole range of new promotional tools – I think its safe to say that this will be one of our biggest challenges yet and I am really excited about it.
I know the life of an affiliate management agency isn't the easiest, you've always got to deal with past reputations. How do you handle a brand that some may have lasting impressions of?I think it’s important to learn from the past. Whilst often
So that's the past, what about the present. What do you hope to achieve for them?Moving forward we have to look at the bigger picture. CD WOW are one of the most competitively priced sites out there. The product range is equal if not better than most of its competition and the brand itself is one of the highest converting sites I have ever come across.
Consumers love CDWOW and this means that the potential for affiliates is substantial. Currently we are looking at a range of new tools that will include things like proper data feeds, new creatives, widgets, plugins and a lot more – there is a lot of work going in to things and I think the results will speak for themselves..
And the future for you and the business. Where do you see eMarketingSolution being in 3 years? You know me Lee, I can never stop working. The plan is to continue in a similar way to now. We are pretty selective with who we work with and will continue to make sure that every affiliate management client that we take on is something that will be interesting to affiliates and capable of growing into a well known success. As long as we continue to create ‘win wins’ with every client, I think the future is looking good.
We are also looking to role out some pretty funky tools in a few months, but I can really say to much more about that the moment, maybe we can have another chat in a few months and I can tell you more about that then.
What do you feel the affiliate marketing industry will be like then, do you believe agencies will have to adapt to the changing nature of affiliates?Definitely – we work in the online space and things move along faster than anywhere else. As the industry continues to grow, agencies and networks will need to keep up with the times.
It is key that agencies and networks offering account management actually add value to the clients rather than just using this as an excuse to charge high monthly fees. Over the years I have heard some shocking stories about account management from agencies and I really hope that this is becoming less common.
At eMarketingSolution we try to add real value by creating tools for clients that benefit affiliates, merchants and networks – I really think this makes the difference and our clients seem to agree, so we must be doing something right.
What are the biggest challenges you feel that merchants have these days and what can be done to solve them?I read a report recently by
Econsultancy which had a quote from an affiliate about loyalty between merchants and affiliates – on the surface it was a fair quote but it really got me thinking.
“Voice of the affiliate - “Why should a merchant show loyalty? I have no loyalty; if another merchant pays me, then I will redirect traffic there. I don’t expect loyalty, as I can’t reciprocate.”
One thing that the affiliate industry needs is loyalty in both directions – I hope that over time this mentality can be adjusted – it’s the only way the industry can sustainably grow in the years to come. I also think that management agencies have a massive role to play in this – affiliate marketing is about creating long term successful advertising relationships. If this fundamental relationship is one thing that we can achieve for eMarketingSolution’s merchants and affiliates we work with, I don’t think there is much that cant be achieved.
And if anyone wanted to buy you a pint, or get you to buy them one .... which events are you going to this year?It’s quite a busy year all round – I have already been to trade shows in Moscow, Berlin and Madrid but I hope to stay a little more local for the rest of the year.
Chances are that I will be at all the main affiliate events this year – I owe about 100 people beers at the moment, I guess its going be a pretty busy year ;)
Ed: Great stuff Jules, hopefully I'll be popping down for a beer soon.